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Internship Newsletter:
October 2005
Senior Interviews
“I’m surprised at how much I know about heating and cooling
systems.”
“Two boys called me ‘cool’, and I’ve never been called ‘cool’
in my life.”
“Thank goodness it depends more on your heart than your head.”
“Holy buckets, I think I can do this!”
“I was so worried about getting the theology right, but I got
there and found out that relationships came first.”
Those were some of the comments made by seniors reflecting on their
internship experiences as they met with CLI staff in Berkeley and
St. Paul after returning to campus. While a few reported
difficulties along the way and all recognized that internship had
its ups and downs, the overwhelming majority found internship to be
a positive experience of growth in which they not only grew in
competence and understanding of the pastoral role and the work
actually done by parish pastors, but also clarified their own sense
of call.
Major insights/learnings/discoveries included:
- The supreme importance of relationships.
- An appreciation for the diversity of Lutheranism across the
ELCA. Some interns found themselves in settings in which the
character of church life was very different from what they had
experienced previously and learned to respect and love this
“different” face of Lutheranism.
- Profound respect for the piety, the love and concern of God’s
people.
- Surprise as how well received they were and the willingness of
people to welcome interns into their congregations and their
lives.
- Clarity about internship as a process of ministry formation.
- Realization of the community dimension of the pastor’s life,
serving community as much as congregation.
- The delightful discovery that they really enjoyed what they
were doing.
Very few returning interns reported major problems with their
experiences. Where there were difficulties, three issues emerged
most often:
- Lack of weekly supervisory conferences.
- Lay Internship Committees unsure of their task.
- Inappropriately high expectations.
Certainly PLTS and LS will be energized this year by these
enthusiastic pastors to be, and the church will be blessed by them
when their theological education is completed.
Boundaries as Pastoral Care

by Jean Larson
All the church talk about boundaries in pastoral ministry might
suggest that we should all wrap ourselves up in yellow police tape:
CAUTION! DO NOT CROSS! I’ve heard some young pastors say that they
will never hug any parishioner, nor will they ever take a stranded
youth home from a retreat, and they go out into ministry on the
legal and ethical defensive. Is this necessary? Furthermore,
“boundary” talk at first glance goes against the theological grain.
Keeping oneself safe, erecting walls, making clean distinctions,
sounds more like the Holiness Code than the gospel of Jesus. So
what’s an intern to do?
Understand boundaries as an expression of care for self and
parishioner alike.
Perhaps you already do. It may be that pastors like me, in it for a
couple decades, need to learn this more than interns do. Ours was
the generation that learned to share the peace of Christ with happy
abandon, who rejoiced in the loosening of formality in the pastoral
office. When I was in seminary, I was part of a group that called
itself the “Harmony Haven Huggers.” You get the picture.
The problem (often) is not in sharing affection or care,
but in naiveté which can open the door to confusion, mixed messages,
and hurtful emotional or sexual trespass. (As I write this it occurs
to me that my analysis is gendered. I write as a woman out of my own
experience. Do men analyze this differently? There may be a good
conversation in here.)
We all know the worst-case scenarios--egregious sexual
manipulation, even rape, by pastors or interns against vulnerable
parishioners. The church has paid a huge price, financially and
spiritually. And the victims have paid a greater one. Don’t even go
there. If you’re concerned about your own ability or desire to set
firm sexual or emotional boundaries, get the best therapist you can
afford and find out what’s moving you. Give yourself a chance to get
healthy and thrive in ministry.
Most of us are not sociopaths, thanks be to God, but we are not
immune to being attracted to parishioners. In fact, it’s safer to
assume that we will be attracted to parishioners, and parishioners
will be attracted to us for a whole variety of reasons, some having
nothing to do with the power of our preaching. So care with personal
boundaries remains essential, for everyone’s well-being.
Understanding ourselves as human beings who quite regularly mistake
our needs, misread others’ signals, need affection, deny
responsibility, overwork, and are subject to ego and sexual drives
is a good place to start. Understand others in the same framework,
and be mindful that the often hidden sufferings of parishioners--as
victims of sexual abuse, rape or other violence, addictions, or
mental illness--can seriously damage their ability to set up healthy
boundaries and can even set them up to cross them. It is always up
to the intern or pastor to set appropriate boundaries.
Practice Self Care and Family Care.
It’s the burning-out, give-till-there’s-not-much-left pastor who
puts herself in jeopardy. Take your days off. Get away. Remember
that God cares about a lot more than religion/church/your
evaluations. Guidelines for interns are that they work 45-50 hours
per week. If your supervisor has other ideas, talk about it. Healthy
boundaries don’t start with a no-hugging pledge. They start with a
healthy use of time, enjoying Sabbath, and a life outside the
church. In some contexts like rural isolation this is a challenge!
But a worthy one.
Err on the side of being circumspect.
Circumspect is a great word here. It carries the sense of looking
around, taking everything into account. One lovely little thing to
take into account is a CPE mantra: whose needs am I meeting here?
And modesty is fine. Consider it a counter-cultural practice. It
is possible to communicate warmth with a two-handed passing of the
peace, an arm around the shoulder, an A-frame hug. This sounds
dorky. But I think it is wise. Full-frontal hugs can miscommunicate.
It’s much easier to start out with firmer boundaries than to try to
establish them later. You might safely let parishioners set the
tone, being respectful of their comfort zone, but with those who
have too much twinkle in their eye and no sense of distance, you
have to set the boundary. Sometimes this takes quite a bit of work
and persistence. Strategically placed LBW’s and lovely leather
notebooks can run interference rather well. So do words. I am
uncomfortable when you put your arm around me, Mr. Jensen.
It is always the intern’s or pastor’s job to set the boundaries.
Professional counselors advise never doing one-on-one counseling in
an empty building. No staff around? Use a quiet café. These are
difficult issues requiring a balance between protecting the privacy
and confidentiality of pastoral counsel with protecting the safety
of the relationship. It never hurts to ask what the parishioner is
comfortable with. (Would you prefer that the door be kept open or
closed? And to the stranded confirmation kid: Is it OK with you and
your parents if I give you a ride home? You might call the parents
first.) It is always important to keep tabs on what you are
comfortable with as well. Trust your gut.
Finally, go to your synod’s boundary workshop.
Many synods require such a workshop. All do them. It would be
good learning for intern and supervisor to go together. The point of
all this is the well-being of the people of God. And that includes
you.
Those Weekly Supervisory Meetings

by Alicia Vargas
“A time for everything…,” we read in Ecclesiastes. In the midst
of the week’s responsibilities, varied and abundant as they are,
intern and supervising pastor take at least an hour to:
- Turn off the phone and the office traffic, and sit with each
other (well, maybe go to a coffee shop) and talk
- Pray together
- Review all aspects of public ministry encountered anytime during the
preceding week, from the point of view of the Call (in
coffee hour, before worship in the parking lot, in the nursing
home or in the hospital or in the local jail, or in the committee
meeting the previous evening)
- Wonder about the possibilities of the relationships with those
whom the intern is getting to know in the congregation, in the
community (so many lives, so little time!)
- Have fun and seriousness with feedback and input on last
Sunday’s sermon and the liturgy (general demeanor, content,
comfort factor, and much more)
- Reflect on the theology of the prayers offered at the altar
(Did they convey the intern’s intended theology? What was that
intended theology? How was the week's news—home and
congregation, local and world’s—covered?)
- Read short articles or chapters (or one of Luther’s letters,
or a meditation, or the ELCA social statement most pertinent to
this moment in the congregational life, or some good old
Scripture, or a favorite from Seminary—remember Seminary?)
- Count the blessings of the preceding week
- Leave all the planning for the coming week for another time!
- Listen to Ecclesiastes again: There is a time for everything!
May your supervisory hour be one of the blessings of your week.
The Vital Lay Internship Committee

by Laure Schwartz
By now there should be an active internship committee in place
made up of lay leaders in the congregation. You might be wondering
what your role is and who exactly leads this committee. We suggest
that a chair person be selected and that he or she works with the
intern on setting an agenda for the monthly meetings. The chair
person would then lead the meetings.
The Intern Committee has a unique perspective for the student to
hear. You can tell the intern about life in your community as you
experience it, and some of the challenges you face. You can
regularly reflect with the intern on his or her ministry skills and
pastoral identity. Share your story of faith and your style of
ministry. Take time to ask the intern what she/he needs from the
members of the committee. Similarly the committee can help the
intern learn what the expectations of the congregation are.
Some suggestions for your meetings in months two and three:
- Check on the intern’s housing and personal needs, including
the spouse’s or children’s needs
- Discuss the transition from seminary to church and this new
community
- Review and formalize with the intern the Learning Service
Agreement
- Develop a process for evaluating the intern’s preaching and
assisting in worship
Informally, any member of the internship committee should feel
free to invite the intern and family over for dinner. Conversation
around a meal is a great way to welcome new people to your
community.
What should Lay Committees be talking about each month? You can
find out by exploring the
Lay Intern Committee
Handbook, online. But we'll also be tipping you each month to
some ideas here in this newsletter.
Margy Schmitt Ajer is an incredibly busy
person, juggling three different professional ministry vocations
with marriage and family. She flies 100,000 miles a year (“I never
have trouble flying anywhere except the Twin Cities,” she says), but
when Margy is with you, she is with you. You have 100% of her
attention.
Margy (the “g” is hard, as in “gumption”) is
the deployed faculty person for the Contextual Leadership Initiative
serving interns, supervisors and congregations in Region 2. She is
also a deployed staff person for the ELCA Division for Ministry as the coordinator for Region 2. Margy is a diaconal minister living
in San Diego with her husband Rich, an ELCA parish pastor. Their son
Andrew is a high school sophomore. Daughters Katy and Becca are away
at college.
“My journey in ministry has been rich and
varied," says Margy. I have served 4 parishes doing youth ministry,
educational ministry and community outreach. I have also worked in a
coalition ministry with older adults, and as a nursing home
chaplain. God continues to surprise me with new adventures every
time I think I’ve got it all figured out.”
Editor's Column: On Monkey Collecting

by Steve McKinley
I’ve been thinking about monkeys.
So imagine yourself owning, say, two monkeys. Two monkeys who
travel around with you all the time. They are your monkeys. Taking
care of monkeys requires serious hard work and a lot of energy.
Every day you meet other people who are carrying monkeys around.
Some of those other people will try to give you one of their
monkeys, lamenting that taking care of the monkey is more than they
can do. As a compassionate person, a Christian, an intern, a pastor,
your heart will go out to this person and you will be tempted to
take the monkey off their hands and make it your own. As a matter of
fact, as a compassionate person, a Christian, an intern, a pastor,
there will be times when you won’t even need to be asked. You will
see somebody wrestling with a monkey and step forward and volunteer
to adopt their monkey.
Difficulty is you wind up with an impossible menagerie of
monkeys. You’re running yourself ragged from morning to night taking
care of all these monkeys you have made your own. You are harassed,
overwhelmed, depressed—and still adding more monkeys to your
collection.
You’d be better off remembering whose monkey is whose. You can
help somebody else take care of a monkey, but it’s a flat out bad
idea to adopt the monkey as your own, whether somebody is trying to
give you the monkey or you are volunteering to adopt that monkey
even when nobody asked you to do so. This is my insight into monkey
keeping.
It is also my insight into ministry. Simply remove the word
“monkey” from the foregoing and replace it with “problems.” All of
us, including interns and supervisors, have problems of our own.
When we start making the problems of other people our problems, we
soon have a plate that is more than full and wind up harassed,
overwhelmed, depressed and all that. Can you spell “burnout”? We
will certainly put significant energy into helping other people deal
with their problems/monkeys, but nonetheless we need to remember who
owns the problem/monkey and not take the poor thing away from its
rightful owner.
To be blunt, beginners in ministry are sometimes so eager to do a
sensational and responsible job that they grab all kinds of monkeys
that aren’t really theirs. Those who endure and prosper in ministry
over the long haul have learned to leave monkeys to their rightful
owners.
The point of the story: remember whose monkey is whose!
(By the way: I confess this is not a fresh and original idea.
I picked it up from Kenneth Blanchard’s 1991 book, The One Minute
Manager Meets the Monkey, which I commend to you. While Blanchard
was writing about management, the idea seemed to easily slip over
into ministry.)
ELCA Three-Month Progress Report

The ELCA has asked for additional points of reporting the
intern’s progress throughout the internship year. The first is
coming up for you. Two three-month reports are due, one from the
supervisor and one from the intern. The form will be available as
of October 1st. Please access this form and the directions from
this web page:
http://www.luthersem.edu/contextual_learning/internship/intern_forms.asp.
Remember these are required ELCA forms that you need to submit
directly to your candidacy committee and to your seminary’s
Contextual Leadership Initiative Office.
News From Campus

PLTS: 61 new students on campus this year, spread between
M.Div., Lutheran year, TEEM and other degree programs….Good
response to a Community Spirituality Retreat on campus, led by Prof.
Sandra Pryds….Luther Lecture coming up October 19....Student
Association officers for this year: President: Katy Grindberg;
Vice-president: Kara Benson; Secretary: Chris Ode; Treasurer: Shane
Freiberg; Academic Committee: Josh Elliot-McGuffie; Social Justice:
Justin Baxter; Liaison: Lynn Hofstad; Community Life: Melissa Reed
Luther: Professor Matt Skinner will be ordained to the
ministry of word and sacrament in the Presbyterian Church (USA) on
Sunday October 16 by the Presbytery of the Twin Cities Area. The
ordination service begins at 3:00 PM, in Luther Seminary's Chapel of
the Incarnation....Tony Campolo was in town this week to talk
about touch issues facing Christians today. His visit included a
stop and a lecture in the Chapel of the Incarnation.
Internship Cluster Events

Interns and supervisors will participate in cluster events
throughout the internship year. Generally, your opportunities are
once in the fall and once in the spring. The cluster is a chance for
reconnecting with your colleagues and discussing ministry realities
both challenging and celebrative. Please make every effort to attend
your cluster event.
|
Cluster |
Date |
Location |
CLI Convener |
|
Metro South Cluster |
October 6 |
Oak Grove Lutheran, Richfield MN |
Steve McKinley |
|
Metro East Cluster |
October 11 |
Christ Lutheran, Marine on St. Croix MN |
Laure Schwartz |
|
Southern Minnesota |
October 11 |
Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter MN |
Steve McKinley |
|
Northern California |
Oct 20-21 |
Christ the King Retreat Ctr., Sacramento |
Margy Schmitt Ajer |
|
Montana Cluster |
Oct 24-25 |
Ursuline Retreat Center, Great Falls MT |
Jean Larson |
|
Metro North Cluster |
October 27 |
Oak Knoll Lutheran, Minnetonka MN |
Laure Schwartz |
|
Southern CA/Hawaii |
Oct 27-28 |
Luther Glen, Yucaipa, CA |
Margy Schmitt Ajer |
|
Dakotas Cluster |
Oct 27-28 |
Camp of the Cross, Garrison ND |
Steve McKinley |
|
Oregon Cluster |
Nov 3-4 |
Menucha Retreat Center, Portland OR |
Jean Larson |
|
Northern Minnesota |
Nov 3-4 |
Camp Knutson, Crosslake MN |
Laure Schwartz |
|
Arizona/Nevada |
Nov 7-8 |
Spirit in the Desert, Carefree, AZ |
Margy Schmitt Ajer |
|
Colorado |
Nov 30 |
Rocky Mt. Synod office, Denver |
Margy Schmitt Ajer |
If your internship site is located in the geographical areas
listed above, you should have already received an invitation to the
cluster event from the CLI staff person convening the event.
Internship sites located in areas that are served by other
seminaries should have received an invitation to a cluster event in
your area from that particular seminary. If the date for your
cluster doesn’t work for you, please consider attending a cluster
event that may work into your schedule better and is still located
near you. Please notify the Contextual Leadership Initiative staff
leading the cluster of your desire to attend a different cluster.
Also RSVP to the CLI staff person leading the cluster you can
attend.
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